Scarred unatractive worlds. (worries)

This is actually a really, really good point which you are mentioning here.
I like the idea of the regenerating land/reset for below sea level areas (excluding beacons of course)
Im not quite sure if this is do able either. But it definitely would be a great way to keep the worlds friendly for new players.

/discuss 🙂

I agree with the under sea level regen and if used with auto grow on trees it could work well together. I don’t know how any one else plays but on Minecraft If I fell a few trees I replant the saplings in the area meaning more trees would be growing so if players think about this then we shouldn’t have any major deforestation issues, it’s what is currently done excerpt they don’t take 20 years to grow.

Just another thing on trees I as have others are using the red foliage as roofing for my castle. It would be nice for the trees to grow back the foliage if the trunks are left in place.

What about players that build towns and homes underground? I know there are some dwarf goers here.

I suggested something of the sort. Allow trees to grow back within a certain protective radius around beacons. That way trees aren’t growing inside your sacred temple!

some of us are going to build underground so that would be a pain, you could make it so that dirt and wood would regenerate and stone wouldnt, that way we wouldnt have to waste a beacon for a free pass through a mountain.

I think the idea of using saplings is a good idea because when people build sometimes they want some controlled foliage in their area and if you make a sapling drop then that means if you live in a yellow world you could bring back red and orange tress from another world to spice up your home. after all you did have the talk about bringing colored grass from other worlds so why be able to bring over the different plants as well? but I do think that auto regrow outsides beacons will be needed because there will be the people who carelessly clear out a forest and do not replant and then that will cause a problem as when they need to gather wood they will go to another world and do the same.

Anyone familar with EQ Landmark? Its already being handled in that and Wonderstruck would be wise to mimic it.

Basically, Beacons are like Claim Flags in EQ. You set your area and then it doesnt get regenerated over time. BUT, you have to pay an upkeep on it. If you fail to pay an upkeep, all blocks and items in that area are returned to you viz mail (along with the beacons themselves) and the land is set back to original state.

If you dig, build, damage, etc land outside the beacons, the land goes back to its original state within (lets say) 30 minutes.

This could work but it would have to be a larger period of time like a month. You would at least want to be able to find temples/caves systems/ dungeons and be able to explore with friends/guildies if it respawned in a small period of time u would not be able to recognise soundings in caves/dungs etc. I like the idea for the use of flags/beacons apart from the paying for up keep. I’m in the army so spend large periods of time away so would expect my beacon and building/base I’ve spent time and effort to build to stay In place for large periods of time 6 months or better indefinite.

What about world events that ‘inject’ new materials/change landscape?

I am absolutely NO fan of some magic suddenly building new blocks, ressources or similar under- or over ground. Trees and all sorts of greenery are not the problem, but dirt does not simply spawn, covering my ore vein i digged out the last days. On the other side, ressources are not endless, especially in multiplayer.

Besides the idea to let the players fight for the ressources (which i am not a fan of either), why not let some world-events happen.

Giants smashing a mountain, cracking the hull of the hills and doing believable changes to the landscape. With this happening, new ressources and specials can be “injected” to this area withoud having to explain a non-contextual ‘sudden-spawn-magic’

My favorite (i’ve suggested that back in the early days of minecraft) would be some kind of “meteor storm” or “thunderstorm”. Those could hit areas that are not owned by players (beacons). Those meteors/lightnings could easily inject new materials to the world: deep in a small crater and the layers beyond (a meteor “melts” everything, so this is easy to have a reason) + material/blocks (maybe rare blocks!!) scattered around on the surface (more or less close to the crater area).

Two easy, believable ideas..but i can see, this won’t be easy to add it to the game 😉

I like the meteors idea it’s used in Terraria it drops in the area and changes the terrain creating creators etc and an influx of new resources.

http://oortonline.com/forums/topic/how-will-the-world-look-after-players/

Also you could get some kind of Fea Npc doing some strange magic and then the nature repairs itself.

• This reply was modified 10 years, 4 months ago by Thorbjorn.

This is one of the best points i have seen on the forum.

This is the biggest problem for the developers to solve. Beacons will not fix this problem no matter how they are implemented. The space between the claims will be strip mined into a mess of utter shit. If you have ever played on a minecraft factions server that has been online for a year you know exactly what it looks like. I think regenerating unclaimed land over time is the best solution I have heard so far. Slow resource re-spawn might work, something like rats and asteroids in EVE.

I ran a minecraft server for 6 years, longest time up was close to think I believe and even though we only had 20 members, man the area around where we started was stripped and full of random half made creations it was very ugly.

I am curious to see how the developers handle this. There is no quick and easy fix to this.

I’m not sure as to how much people have thought about this, but people could study the ancient ways of The Oort and become a powerfull wizard who can unleash the power of nature over certain area’s? Or create some potion to fasten the growth process of plants and trees so they’ll grow more quickly over certain area’s?

Another thing I had in mind for this was the natural crumbling down of artificial buildings. This way, we’ll have to craft specific tools to maintain our (many) buildings, perhaps create specific jobs for them in cities. People would feel less inclined to build so much and would think things more through instead of building stuff willy-nilly here and there (like I saw happening so much in Minecraft). You could even go so far as to apply the real world gravity laws, this to further improve upon the experience. Meaning, add support beams, erode and maintain the roofs of buildings and so forth ..

Hi guys. Saw the comments here and just had to chip in. What I’m about to say may offend some – for that I apologise in advance.

My views of the worlds are a little different from some that I’ve seen above.
My ideas are based on the portal concept currently implemented in game. I see that every ‘player’ would start in their own ‘world’ that would have resources etc (think of it like a generated mine craft world). Now the player will have the ability to build/craft/mine etc and they would get to a stage where they can build a portal. The portal then becomes the gateway to the ‘main world/s’. This way the main worlds can have build restrictions so that the ‘nuke’ effect just cannot happen. I can merrily build/craft etc in my own world and then when I’m ready I can venture forth into the main game questing/exploring/fighting bosses/players etc. When I need to restock etc I could travel back to my world and sleep in my little old house I built. Next day I could craft myself up some new equipment and set forth again.

Other players can venture into my ‘world’ and with permission I could allow them to build and mine etc. But this would be at my discretion. This would allow players to combine forces and ‘guild’ etc helping each other to build whatever they wished. Having players come in and grief is a MAJOR problem in mine craft. I realise that not having the ability, or restricted ability, to build in the main world/s may not be what some signed up for but I want a GAME. Not just a sandbox. Minecraft is a great sandbox without a game. Cubeworld is great little game with level progression/combat etc but there is no building. Having both is going to be a REAL challenge.

Anyway – like I said – this is just a simple guys view on what I’d like to see. Hope I didn’t offend anyone.

cheers,
miniwrecker

The Enlightened One is correct, let me expand on what he is saying. The game is an MMO and a single universe, and on top of that they want items to be of value and traded. So this pretty much rules out people running their own servers that are connected to the universe, because there will have to be a database backend to keep track of the items for players to travel between servers, and they can’t leave the door open to trusting information sent to them by third party servers, IE dupped items. And the game state can not be run locally for the same reason, data integrity. So we have to play in their environment to make this work.

Now for each player to have their own environment this would require cpu to render the chunks of the world, RAM to keep track of the world around the player, and storage for the chucks to be unloaded into as the player walks around, and logs off. Server resources cost money whether you pay for them or not. The problem is the amount of resources required to give each player their own starting environment will not make business sense. That is why if you just buy the game you will have to play on public servers or on someones that is paying for it, because all of the players being on the same servers helps to reduce the cost maintaining them per player. However if your willing to shoulder the ongoing cost they will provide you with your own environment.

I think this is where the developers are trying to solve the issue of mass-beaconing (or riddled blocks) by implementing guilds and cities. grouping the players together to create less clutter and more order. I’m still wondering how they’re going to work that out though… not all players are friendly once the official game is launched.

Still, Guilds could be one solution to controlling (hopefully ATLEAST) the population from filling the world with wooden houses and mini villages, but not so sure about the resources. We’re stronger and faster in numbers after all.

@Karko: My bad, I thought we were also discussing about the possibility of overpopulation since it also plays a role in keeping other players from finding resources (such as walling off every cavern of ores with beacons). I guess I was just imagining the world to be a lot smaller.

• This reply was modified 10 years, 4 months ago by Nyuudles. Reason: replies
• This reply was modified 10 years, 4 months ago by Nyuudles.

The problem is not what happens to protected land. The problem is what happens to the space between in protected land. Walk around these servers they are huge. Factions don’t claim land by spawn. They do about as far away as they are allowed. All the space in between is what we need a solution to.

there is somthing i like to say also about the reg is that if you build underground like i do must of the time xD i think that the block you set well not be reg back to the normal state

p.s sorry for bad english

im from Eu

also what about greifing i hope you make so other ppl cant remove your stuff :/

i realy like the game it is looking good 🙂

• This reply was modified 10 years, 4 months ago by steen.

Here is another issue that I think has largely gone unnoticed. Resources and adventure sites.

In a Traditional MMO when someone mines an resource plant or mineral it comes back after a cool down time.

However in a game like this they are finite. Once you remove that block it is gone. This can create a strip mining effect. Imagine you spot the perfect piece of your land for your castle. You plop your beacon and drop a mine shaft only to discover the area below your beacon has been stripped of resources.

Or worse still, imagine you go out on adventures and to look for resources and unless you walk an hour or so in other directions you will not find anything. No trees, or random holes in the ground. Adventure sites that held strong monsters have been stripped including the bricks that made up the temple. Treasure chests have been griefed and hidden by someone else placing blocks around them.

Beacons are a way to prevent griefing in your territory. But imagine looking out your window around your beacon and seeing the griefing around it. Trenches built around your beacons influence. Giant walls put up around it. Offending structures. Etc.

This is not so much an issue now, $95 keeps some scrubs out. This will not always be the case.

• This reply was modified 10 years, 4 months ago by StormbringerGT.

This is a great thread – lots of ideas <3.

Now don't take this as an official answer for the game – big caveat there – but I’ll personally be campaigning for a few things within the dev team:

1. All players can build stuff (solo or with friends) and not have it messed with.

2. All players should be able to feel like they’re exploring the environment for the first time. It’s no fun going down into a cave if there are torches everywhere, an empty chest at the bottom, and a stairlift back up again.

3. All players should be able to explore other people’s creations (without messing with them.)

4. All players should be able to join together if they want to build grander ambitions.

5. The game should give players a reason to explore, a reason to go to other worlds, a reason to connect with their friends, a reason to explore their own surroundings and world.

6. I want to avoid the issue that all types of resources are within a 200 block radius of any starting position. Get out there and find what you need.

7. I want to avoid the issue of all creates spawning within a 200 block radius of any starting position.

8. I want every world to feel unique and special. So that every time you step through a portal into a new world you think “Wow! I wonder what I’ll discover here?”

9. The configuration of the game needs to encourage (require?) players who want to see / build / defeat / capture / explore / craft everything the game has to offer – must go beyond their starting horizons.

10. Everyday a player signs into the game they should feel like there is a new world / dungeon / cave to go and explore. Maybe this means daily worlds, weekly worlds, etc.

Finally, I’m not exactly sure what our final world size will be, I imagine it will be dependent on how memory efficient we can make the servers. But I expect that many of the concerns here might be alleviated if players were to spawn 1, 2, 4, 8, or 16 km from anyone else. The way players spawn is not what I would expect in the future. A diverse player spawn spread would reduce the density issue – unless players wanted to go find others to build with.

Then there is a list of world expiration issues we can explore. From easy stuff such as: torches expire outside of your beacon, to tress regenerating, to landscapes and resources regenerating.

Any concerns / additions with this?

Yeah, I really like the high levels goals being laid out rather than just details. I feel very satisfied with this answer, and it’s vision. Thank you for taking the time to respond.